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Punk-Pop song with video #724726 07/20/22 02:01 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 2,112 3rd rock from the sun B.D.Thomas OP Veteran
OP B.D.Thomas Veteran Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 2,112 3rd rock from the sun	[ Disclaimer: this is my first posting here, so I hope I follow all the forum rules ] I've been using BIAB for quite a while, but this is the first time I have a good singer at hand and are no longer limited to pure instrumental music. Some technical information: - raw composition done with my old acoustic guitar - the backing tracks are done with the "Flipside Alt Rock" style, but I have replaced (and added some more) guitars, bass and drums with other Realtracks which I liked more. - the song was mixed in Cubase 11, some guitars were re-amped, and of course the vocals were added there as well. I hope you like it, feedback and tips how to improve are very appreciated. Since I don't have a SoundCloud account (and I have created a video for the song anyway) here's a link to YouTube, I hope that's okay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ji57-3XW9I On request: the lyrics, slightly edited because the forum software thinks they're kinda explicit Lyrics: Eleanor Lennox - City Punk Blues Walking down the city really bored and looking shtty too much drinks, too much drinks Waiting for the city to wake up and to look pretty too much drinks, too much drinks Boring loser faces telling boring loser stories Empty phrases, empty faces Do what you want I don't listen anymore You're a fcking waste of time a beautiful decor to ignore to ignore, to ignore, to ignore, to ignore Leaving things behind me nasty people who did blind me on my own, all alone Searching for my friends who told me things are getting better they're not here, they are gone Avoiding all the places where they hurt me, gave me grazes dude it hurts to hear those words Do what you want I won't listen anymore I will never look back and make the same mistakes as before as before, anymore, anymore, anymore Coming back my city I feel better, I feel pretty I am free, like a bird Rocking all the places looking at the smiling faces have a drink, have a flirt Having friends who really care and just are there I'm not going, never leaving Do what you want I won't listen anymore I will never look back and make the same mistakes as before as before, anymore, anymore, anymore Maybe one more time... Walking down the city really bored and looking shtty too much drinks, too much drinks Waiting for the city to wake up and to look pretty too much drinks, too much drinks Boring loser faces telling boring loser stories Empty phrases, empty faces Do what you want I don't listen anymore You're a fcking waste of time a beautiful decor to ignore to ignore, to ignore, to ignore, to ignore to ignore Backstory of the song: when a relationship breaks one or sometimes both partners leave behind most of their buddies and sometimes even close friends or family. After the wounds are healed they meet new people, find new friends and are ready to start a new relationship. And do the same mistakes again... Last edited by B.D.Thomas; 07/24/22 09:43 AM. Reason: Backstory added Making bits and bytes sound good... Goldmania Bella - A One-Man Girlband with no fans Listen on Spotify Watch on YouTube

Re: Punk-Pop song with video B.D.Thomas #724813 07/20/22 10:44 AM User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 6,766 Cooran Queensland Australia rayc Veteran
rayc Veteran Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 6,766 Cooran Queensland Australia	Lyrically the crippled grammar of "too much drinks" on repeat wasn't a great start for my ears. "Too many drinks" or "Too much to drink" would be correct but neither fit your three syllables melody. Similarly "a beautiful decor" is a bit clunky. The vocal sits high in the mix and seems to have a fair whack of reverb compared to the band's room. Musically you need to shift gear somewhere either in dynamics, key or vocal performance as the song starts as as promising and ten chugs along in the one direction. LOTS of potential though. Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe

Re: Punk-Pop song with video rayc #724835 07/20/22 12:55 PM User Showcase
Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 3,313 J justanoldmuso Veteran
justanoldmuso Veteran J Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 3,313	BDT. welcome. have i got the right vid ? woman singing lead vocs ? who did the vocs ? they are v v good. happiness. om my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb.)

Re: Punk-Pop song with video B.D.Thomas #724838 07/20/22 01:05 PM User Showcase
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,521 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,521 Hamlin NY	I didn't find any problems with this song. I liked the vocal and lyrics. Great animation. I thought the mix was OK also Two thumbs up My dad showed me a 30-minute PowerPoint presentation of why one should always wear a condom during sex. They were all pictures of me! 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Punk-Pop song with video B.D.Thomas #724860 07/20/22 04:00 PM User Showcase
Joined: May 2014 Posts: 4,052 The Netherlands RnAM Veteran
RnAM Veteran Joined: May 2014 Posts: 4,052 The Netherlands	Very nice! Did you use iClone for the animation? I like the sparse arrangement and the Dolores/Cranberries sounding backing vocals! Rob We are Rob Meulman and Anne-Marie Bovenkamp from The Netherlands. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1gsdNLE7_Gy8qavoOplQow/videos http://rnam.net/

Re: Punk-Pop song with video rayc #724881 07/21/22 12:12 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 2,112 3rd rock from the sun B.D.Thomas OP Veteran
OP B.D.Thomas Veteran Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 2,112 3rd rock from the sun	Originally Posted By: rayc Lyrically the crippled grammar of "too much drinks" on repeat wasn't a great start for my ears. "Too many drinks" or "Too much to drink" would be correct but neither fit your three syllables melody. Similarly "a beautiful decor" is a bit clunky. Wow, that's exactly the feedback I was hoping for...thanks a lot, rayc I'm not a native speaker, so I'm never 100% sure whether a phrase makes sense or is complete bullshit. In German there's a speaking that people like to "decorate" themselves with beautiful partners, so my assumption was that this translates well, which it obviously doesn't...lesson learned! "too much drinks" is actually a mistake I shouldn't have made because I know that it's wrong. I guess when you brain is in "creative mode" it doesn't check grammar, and once that phrase was established in my subconsciousness I never questioned it. I think in the future I'll better post my lyrics in the songwriting forum first...both mistakes could have easily been fixed in the early phases of the song. Originally Posted By: rayc The vocal sits high in the mix and seems to have a fair whack of reverb compared to the band's room. Actually the initial version had less reverb to give the song more punk feeling, but I didn't like it. I think when I bring the vocals down a dB or three it'll be less obvious. I'll try that. Originally Posted By: rayc Musically you need to shift gear somewhere either in dynamics, key or vocal performance as the song starts as as promising and ten chugs along in the one direction. LOTS of potential though. I have to think a bit about this. Punk isn't known for lots of musical variation, on the other hand the song is technically punk-pop, so more variation is something to consider. Again, thanks LOT to take the time to listen to the song and to write your feedback. I really appreciated this a lot! Last edited by B.D.Thomas; 07/21/22 06:42 AM. Making bits and bytes sound good... Goldmania Bella - A One-Man Girlband with no fans Listen on Spotify Watch on YouTube

Re: Punk-Pop song with video B.D.Thomas #724910 07/21/22 06:42 AM User Showcase
Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 12,315 Florida floyd jane Veteran
floyd jane Veteran Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 12,315 Florida	B.D., I found the overall sound of the song captivating. I like it. I thought the repeated phrases were very effective. The vocal is quite interesting. Is that computer generated? Or real? I actually cannot tell... and, I like it, too. I wished that you had listed the RealTracks used - I wanted to know what the chunking guitar is (without having to search for it myself ) The drums could be quite a bit louder - especially for a punk song... Welcome to the Showcase. fj 150+ Songs produced using BIAB RealTracks And 50 more... and some more...

Re: Punk-Pop song with video B.D.Thomas #724916 07/21/22 07:28 AM User Showcase
Joined: May 2019 Posts: 117 Vale of Glamorgan japokeapeg Apprentice
japokeapeg Apprentice Joined: May 2019 Posts: 117 Vale of Glamorgan	This has a good vibe. I love punk in any form. I would remix, have the drums louder, put a heavier guitar on it. The vocal is charming. A great first track.

Re: Punk-Pop song with video B.D.Thomas #724929 07/21/22 09:22 AM User Showcase
Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 15,035 GA USA Janice & Bud Veteran
Janice & Bud Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 15,035 GA USA	Cool video and entertaining lyric! We love the line (paraphrased) “I won’t make the same mistakes as before, any more, any more - maybe one more time” Hey don't worry about the language issues ... there are folks here from all over the planet. Excellent vocals and band. Maybe a wee bit more drum volume?? Kudo’s and welcome to the forum! J&B Our albums and singles are on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, YouTube Music, Pandora and more. If interested search on Janice Merritt. Thanks! Our Videos are here on our website.

Re: Punk-Pop song with video B.D.Thomas #724956 07/21/22 02:02 PM User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 6,766 Cooran Queensland Australia rayc Veteran
rayc Veteran Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 6,766 Cooran Queensland Australia	Originally Posted By: B.D.Thomas I have to think a bit about this. Punk isn't known for lots of musical variation, on the other hand the song is technically punk-pop, so more variation is something to consider. Straight out of the gate 76+ UK punk and Ramones style are constant but very fast. Your song is much more of a pop punk song as you say...they do employ dynamics...loud quiet, faster/slower etc. You could simply add an extra layer to the arrangement for the choruses..say a choppy piano or a 12 string...to add some dynamics or strip one of the guitars from the verses...the choice & options are endless in the mixing & BIAB provides all the options you'd like...perhaps just once before a chorus all instruments hit and hold a note/chord for a bar or even half a bar. Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe

Re: Punk-Pop song with video justanoldmuso #725018 07/22/22 05:16 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 2,112 3rd rock from the sun B.D.Thomas OP Veteran
OP B.D.Thomas Veteran Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 2,112 3rd rock from the sun	[ got finally some time to answer the questions ] Originally Posted By: justanoldmuso BDT. welcome. have i got the right vid ? woman singing lead vocs ? Yep, that's the correct video. Whenever I find the time I try to create a video for my songs. And thanks a lot for your feedback! Making bits and bytes sound good... Goldmania Bella - A One-Man Girlband with no fans Listen on Spotify Watch on YouTube

Re: Punk-Pop song with video MarioD #725019 07/22/22 05:17 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 2,112 3rd rock from the sun B.D.Thomas OP Veteran
OP B.D.Thomas Veteran Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 2,112 3rd rock from the sun	Originally Posted By: MarioD I didn't find any problems with this song. I liked the vocal and lyrics. Great animation. I thought the mix was OK also Two thumbs up Thanks a lot for your nice feedback, Mario. Making bits and bytes sound good... Goldmania Bella - A One-Man Girlband with no fans Listen on Spotify Watch on YouTube

Re: Punk-Pop song with video RnAM #725026 07/22/22 05:29 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 2,112 3rd rock from the sun B.D.Thomas OP Veteran
OP B.D.Thomas Veteran Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 2,112 3rd rock from the sun	Originally Posted By: RnAM Very nice! Did you use iClone for the animation? Yes. I tried for months to get reasonably lip-synced animations from DAZ Studio until I discovered iClone. It's not cheap, but it saves me a ton of time and the results are already okay-ish for a newbie with this software. Originally Posted By: RnAM I like the sparse arrangement and the Dolores/Cranberries sounding backing vocals! Rob Ah, Dolores...I miss her voice soooo much. "Ode To My Family" is one of my all-time favorite songs, and the vocal harmonies are the main reason for this. Your comment means a lot for me. Thanks! Making bits and bytes sound good... Goldmania Bella - A One-Man Girlband with no fans Listen on Spotify Watch on YouTube

Re: Punk-Pop song with video floyd jane #725031 07/22/22 05:44 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 2,112 3rd rock from the sun B.D.Thomas OP Veteran
OP B.D.Thomas Veteran Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 2,112 3rd rock from the sun	Originally Posted By: floyd jane B.D., I found the overall sound of the song captivating. I like it. I thought the repeated phrases were very effective. The vocal is quite interesting. Is that computer generated? Or real? I actually cannot tell... and, I like it, too. I wished that you had listed the RealTracks used - I wanted to know what the chunking guitar is (without having to search for it myself ) The drums could be quite a bit louder - especially for a punk song... Welcome to the Showcase. fj Thanks you for your nice words and the feedback, floyd. I'm normally a bit conservative with drums, but I guess you're right, could be a bit more. The guitar tracks are: Intro: 3931 (left) and 4100 (right) Additionally from bar 9: 3642 (left) and 634 (right) 3921 (left) and 3931 (right) Bass guitar: 1255 The bass and (I think) one 3931 and the 3621 were re-amped, the bass to make it better audible on small speakers and the guitars to have better left/right separation between the channels. Making bits and bytes sound good... Goldmania Bella - A One-Man Girlband with no fans Listen on Spotify Watch on YouTube

Re: Punk-Pop song with video B.D.Thomas #725145 07/23/22 06:27 AM User Showcase
Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 1,482 Versmold - GERMANY PROJECT M Expert
PROJECT M Expert Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 1,482 Versmold - GERMANY	Hi B.D. Interesting song In any case well done Also the video turned out well So I liked it Many greetings Andi ;-)

Re: Punk-Pop song with video japokeapeg #725171 07/23/22 09:50 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 2,112 3rd rock from the sun B.D.Thomas OP Veteran
OP B.D.Thomas Veteran Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 2,112 3rd rock from the sun	Originally Posted By: japokeapeg This has a good vibe. I love punk in any form. I would remix, have the drums louder, put a heavier guitar on it.... ...and then it would be a rock song But I guess you guys are right, I'm a bit too conservative with the drums and the guitars. For me it's all about the vocals (psst, don't tell the guitar player) and when in doubt I err on the side of the vocals. Probably too much with this song... Thanks a lot for your feedback! Making bits and bytes sound good... Goldmania Bella - A One-Man Girlband with no fans Listen on Spotify Watch on YouTube

Re: Punk-Pop song with video Janice & Bud #725173 07/23/22 09:54 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 2,112 3rd rock from the sun B.D.Thomas OP Veteran
OP B.D.Thomas Veteran Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 2,112 3rd rock from the sun	Originally Posted By: Janice & Bud Cool video and entertaining lyric! We love the line (paraphrased) “I won’t make the same mistakes as before, any more, any more - maybe one more time” Hey don't worry about the language issues ... there are folks here from all over the planet. Excellent vocals and band. Maybe a wee bit more drum volume?? Kudo’s and welcome to the forum! J&B Thanks a lot for the warm welcome and your feedback, Janice & Bud. Making bits and bytes sound good... Goldmania Bella - A One-Man Girlband with no fans Listen on Spotify Watch on YouTube

Re: Punk-Pop song with video PROJECT M #725174 07/23/22 09:56 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 2,112 3rd rock from the sun B.D.Thomas OP Veteran
OP B.D.Thomas Veteran Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 2,112 3rd rock from the sun	Originally Posted By: PROJECT M Hi B.D. Interesting song In any case well done Also the video turned out well So I liked it Many greetings Andi ;-) Thanks a lot, Andi. And greetings back from good ol' Germany Making bits and bytes sound good... Goldmania Bella - A One-Man Girlband with no fans Listen on Spotify Watch on YouTube

Re: Punk-Pop song with video B.D.Thomas #725176 07/23/22 10:37 AM User Showcase
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,232 North Carolina David Snyder Veteran
David Snyder Veteran Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,232 North Carolina	Hey, I think this sounds great, especially for a first post. It is super to have another pop writer hanging around--and I love the overall sound! So welcome to the forum, and I have a few questions. (If I am not prying.) Is this you singing? Are you in a band? Do we address you as Eleanor? Is this your stage name? What instruments do you play? How long have you been writing? I see you posted the real tracks so that is great. Can you post the lyrics?? Well, great work, love the sound, and again, welcome. David Snyder Songwriter/Renaissance Man Studio + Fingers https://davidsnydersongs.com/ https://spoti.fi/359Gigs www.davidsnydermusic.com/ www.reverbnation.com/davidpsnyder www.soundcloud.com/davidsnyderchannel https://www.songtradr.com/user/profile/david.snyder

Re: Punk-Pop song with video B.D.Thomas #725189 07/23/22 12:17 PM User Showcase
Joined: Feb 2022 Posts: 1,031 California Brad Williams Expert
Brad Williams Expert Joined: Feb 2022 Posts: 1,031 California	Hello B.D., and welcome to the forum! I think you've got a nice sound here. Although our types of music are quite different I also consistently mix the drums with not enough volume. The folks here have been very helpful while I've been trying to learn mixing, something I'm very new at. If it helps, near the top of posts is one called "The Birth Of A Song." It takes you through the entire writing, recording and posting process and is done by one of the members here, Floyd Jane. At around 50 to 55 minutes into it he talks about posting the song to the forum and what is normally posted with it. Basically it's the title of the song, the story behind or idea for the song, the link to the song, the words and the Biab tracks that were used. I don't know that it's a hard and fast rule, but it can be very helpful to other users in both critiquing your song and in providing ideas and inspiration in their own writing and recording. Also, I personally like listening to PG Radio. I pick the genre that I most closely identify with and listen to that. Not only do I like the music in general, but it can be a way of identifying a particular Biab sound that I'd like to put into one of my songs. I hope that you also critique others music on here, sounds like you would have a lot to offer. Welcome, I think you'll enjoy it. https://soundcloud.com/user-722422510/tracks

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